tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post7149748541144964267..comments2024-02-13T08:45:20.455-05:00Comments on The Schooley Files: Mike Breen and Building a Discipling Culture: A DissentKeith Edwin Schooleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06328169815024415532noreply@blogger.comBlogger462125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-20211706170885204502018-01-07T07:41:53.774-05:002018-01-07T07:41:53.774-05:00For anyone still monitoring this conversation, I w...For anyone still monitoring this conversation, I would like to invite you to check out this post: http://www.schooleyfiles.com/2018/01/new-analysis-of-building-discipling.html<br /><br />Since the comments section of this post is difficult to get to the end of, due to constraints from the Blogger platform, I would also like to invite you to migrate all discussion of 3DM over to the comments section of that post. It will just make it easier to everyone (including me!) to follow and engage in the discussion. Thanks.Keith Edwin Schooleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06328169815024415532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-78854579115128706502017-12-30T19:17:43.587-05:002017-12-30T19:17:43.587-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15707350071427709278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-44802082071605217742017-12-27T15:43:26.159-05:002017-12-27T15:43:26.159-05:00Our Church has during the last few years been slow...Our Church has during the last few years been slowly introduced to this methodology and we are now experiencing some 'fall out' amongst congregational members. More to report on later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-44828446768402914252017-12-10T07:50:10.802-05:002017-12-10T07:50:10.802-05:00Where abouts are you Where abouts are you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-13566541832663524312017-11-17T16:53:50.630-05:002017-11-17T16:53:50.630-05:00i am ATTENDING A CHURCH THAT IS PART OF 3DM AND OU...i am ATTENDING A CHURCH THAT IS PART OF 3DM AND OUR PASTOR IS WANTING TO SET UP MISSIONAL COMMUNITIES. OUR CHURCH HAS NO PASTORS ANY MORE OE TEACHERS, THEY CALL THEMSELVES CO LEADERS, IS THIS A PART OF 3DM OR JUST A PART OF OUR CHURCH. AMY INSIGHT WILL BE APPRECIATED.<br />OF OUR CHURCH.-PAUL SPYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-45637708310946763402017-10-31T05:11:46.162-04:002017-10-31T05:11:46.162-04:00Here in Tasmania, 3dm is certainly gaining ground ...Here in Tasmania, 3dm is certainly gaining ground - it is hard to find a fellowship that is not free of this movement. Dissipation of the truth is rampant. We also have Hillsong to contend with!<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-16333683565139282412017-10-09T10:53:48.221-04:002017-10-09T10:53:48.221-04:00http://5qcentral.com/team/
https://www.cairnmovem...http://5qcentral.com/team/<br /><br />https://www.cairnmovement.com/what-we-do/learning-communities/<br /><br />it would seem the wolf has changed its clothing, be aware everyoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-16649973095078850432017-08-03T17:13:32.529-04:002017-08-03T17:13:32.529-04:00I am going through the same thing. It hurts so ba...I am going through the same thing. It hurts so bad. Beloved, dear personalities have changed - in one instance drastically to the point of emotional abuse. I left for a while but am back. It's extremely painful though. Am treated like outcast. But I feel the Lord calling me to fight back against this evil that has taken hold by responding with crazy love and forgiveness for as long as it takes. I am praying for everyone on this blog and all churches under 3DM. The pain is great, but Our Good Shepherd is with us in this dark valley, and His love is greater. God bless you dear one, and everyone on this blog. Thank you Keith for this blog.Atlanta 40 Dayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12924484860574483213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-6358009318627422392017-07-31T20:49:53.886-04:002017-07-31T20:49:53.886-04:00Thank you!Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-83471375227647896472017-07-13T03:43:37.358-04:002017-07-13T03:43:37.358-04:00how are things going how are things going Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-52654048257648922572017-07-05T15:51:43.522-04:002017-07-05T15:51:43.522-04:00I agree that it appears to be Freemasonry masked. ...I agree that it appears to be Freemasonry masked. Freemasonsy and it's many branches/relatives (alchemy, etc) use "sacred geometry" as a spiritual vehicle to gain what they consider esoteric knowledge from the Bible and other religious writings, in order to help them advance to what they believe are higher dimensions of consciousness. <br /><br />If you google "sacred geometry", "3D", "Third Dimension", "dimension movement", it gets pretty interesting (try googling combinations of those terms.) For example, here's one of many articles that speak of dimensional movement, and a "shift": http://www.cedar-rivers.com/articles/consciousness-spirituality/79-what-do-you-mean-the-3rd-dimension-is-going-away.html. Here's an example of a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Sw9i0cthk&t=198s <br /><br />I mention the word, "shift" because Mike Breen in a recent blog post uses the term, "paradigm shift", which was popularized by John Wimble of the Vineyard Movement, which he cites in the same blog post. Some research into John Wimble and the Vineyard Movement provides very concerning information about what seems to be man trying to bring about "signs & wonders" and experiences of God's presence, with openness to manifestations very similar to what New Agers call "kundalini rising".<br /><br />In his recent blog, Breen calls for 3 new areas of focus to get the whole thing really going on a wide scale, and not only are they obvious marketing/motivational tools used to influence groups of people (emotional experiences, group identity, slogans), there is an element of mind/emotional control ("predict an experience of God's presence" = be able to cause that = wanting to control God).<br /><br />Here is the blog post: https://3dmovements.com/my-new-assignment-a-personal-note-from-mike-breen/<br /><br />In this blog post by another 3DM leader, there is great emphasis on the geometric shapes and various dimensions, and the comment left by a reader shows the concerning extension of thought that can come from so much focus on those things: https://3dmovements.com/following-jesus-into-spaceland/<br /><br />The thing about New Age (which Freemasonry is on steroids) is that it has nuggets of truth in it that attract people. So when it enters the Church, it focuses at first on those nuggets of truth, especially nuggets that have perhaps been downplayed detrimentally in a region or time-period, so that people are drawn to it and find some benefit from those nuggets. It's wheat among weeds.<br /><br />I don't necessarily agree with all the conclusions on this website, but this article on 3DM provides very good research and awareness of Mike Breen and his influence by John Wimber & the Vineyard Movement: https://bewareofthewolves.blogspot.com/2014/07/a-warning-of-pitfalls-of-3dm-and-mike.html<br /><br />There are indeed some nuggets of truth in 3DM, but those nuggets can be found in the Bible without having to give yourself and your church over to a whole program with so many spiritual pitfalls and dangers in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-32654013865405180432017-04-19T01:51:42.718-04:002017-04-19T01:51:42.718-04:00Tasmania, AustraliaTasmania, AustraliaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-25052999920764911382017-03-31T16:07:31.894-04:002017-03-31T16:07:31.894-04:00What area is this please ? Sadly if one is being h...What area is this please ? Sadly if one is being huddled then more will be, it's only a matter of time before it's rolled out fullyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-63423301116503222372017-03-27T22:38:04.363-04:002017-03-27T22:38:04.363-04:00Are we doing OK!! I believe we have become a littl...Are we doing OK!! I believe we have become a little Hardened to the effects of 3dm on the local fellowship. We moved from a Church where the Leadership is totally committed to 3dm to escape, after 30 months into a New Fellowship - we find that one of the Elders of our new Fellowship, has been secretly involved with an Huddle at the local "Bible College" - there is no apparent solution in combating the spread of dissipation of the Truth with in the Body of Christ. Other than praying!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-22442361069159824352017-03-22T05:10:11.143-04:002017-03-22T05:10:11.143-04:00http://bobhighlands.faith/2016/02/14/3dm-warning-u...http://bobhighlands.faith/2016/02/14/3dm-warning-updates/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-19634429622145299152017-03-22T05:08:07.584-04:002017-03-22T05:08:07.584-04:00http://sonrisechurch.com/video%20files/3dm%20cauti...http://sonrisechurch.com/video%20files/3dm%20caution/3DMovement%20Warning%20Video.mp4Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-83086800712974354662017-03-21T14:13:08.187-04:002017-03-21T14:13:08.187-04:00How is every one doing now ?How is every one doing now ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-1411214502366527442017-03-13T06:25:21.940-04:002017-03-13T06:25:21.940-04:00Another church which had 3DM issues:
http://nashk...Another church which had 3DM issues:<br /><br />http://nashkuvar.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/the-influence-of-3dm-part-i.html<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-25533015851174455662016-11-20T23:00:27.611-05:002016-11-20T23:00:27.611-05:00"Person of Peace" was the first real ala..."Person of Peace" was the first real alarm for me when our church (Elkhorn, Ne) was divided by 3DM. The disgust I first felt at hearing only suspected persons of peace were even invited to join a Huddle. Cindyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09847232869482360467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-26685960565292529392016-09-29T13:14:34.895-04:002016-09-29T13:14:34.895-04:00yes i can see that it is possible to be in a 3dm c...yes i can see that it is possible to be in a 3dm church and not be hurt. there were a lot of happy people at phili for a long time oblivious to what was really going on behind the scenes - until it blew up more recently. a lot depends on how much its promoted in church. some leaders nod their heads to it and keep it fairly low key, some push it until the congregation reacts and they learn to implement it subtly.<br /><br />in terms of people being hurt if they are not in a huddle - I have read some accounts of that so I guess that is possible, if they feel rejected etc. however, what you need to focus on is what is 3dm, who leads it, what is it teaching and what has been the fruit.<br /><br />the point is the church will have to commit funds to an organisation that talks big talk but has little track record of success. an organisation that will impose a tiresome and dry structure on you with weird words and terminology (stolen from secular management speak) that will push you away from the people who need to hear about Jesus. is that what you want?<br /><br />have you asked for some real examples of success stories?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-30479508369522828672016-09-25T00:49:33.389-04:002016-09-25T00:49:33.389-04:00Hi
Just to correct your rebranded name, please fi...Hi<br /><br />Just to correct your rebranded name, please find attached link.<br />www.kairosconnexion.org<br /><br />New Name same content, here in Australia they have joined with a number of "Missional Groups" just to confuse!!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-69306173942117124142016-09-21T17:19:02.321-04:002016-09-21T17:19:02.321-04:00Hi again. I am not discrediting your experience, b...Hi again. I am not discrediting your experience, but I just react when I hear something something being painted either black or white, it cannot be and is not that easy.. I think. I have been in churches with the 3dm model for +10 years and have managed to not get hurt ;) But I am aware of the criticism and I am just trying to look at this objectively and hopefully come to some kind of conclusion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-32604858767267468612016-09-19T07:03:33.950-04:002016-09-19T07:03:33.950-04:00AnonymousSeptember 18, 2016 11:37 AM
sorry, but to...AnonymousSeptember 18, 2016 11:37 AM<br />sorry, but to attend st thomas' phil and enjoy a service is not experiencing 3DM. you are being a little naïve here.<br /><br />I HAVE been in the leadership and hundels and can tell you nobody is lying about the disastrous effects 3dm causes on your church and your own spiritual life.<br /><br />I meet people from time to time from my time in st tom's and there are so many sad hurt and disillusioned people.<br /><br />but if you want to find out the hard way keep going.....<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-17916400415208058632016-09-18T11:46:05.492-04:002016-09-18T11:46:05.492-04:00.. oh and regarding whether to adopt 3dm or not, ..... oh and regarding whether to adopt 3dm or not, that is too late :) Lifeshapes and 3dm has been an integral part of the church since it started (it's only 10 years old). So the discussion is whether to cut the ties or not. That is why I am afraid that since all our pastors are soo steeped in the 3dm language it will be nearly impossible for them to just do away with it all. Maybe we can find a good middle ground, prayers are very welcome, thank you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18950992.post-429166508187325112016-09-18T11:37:24.291-04:002016-09-18T11:37:24.291-04:00Hi. Thanks for your input! I think if it was only ...Hi. Thanks for your input! I think if it was only as bad as you describe it the decision would be easy :) But I HAVE been to St. Thomas Crooks and Philadelphia and I must say I really loved the service. I have attended one of those weekend events held in Sheffield promoting 3dm and I really loved at the stories were amazing, could all these people really be lying? I have a close friend who LOVES 3dm and has grown a lot spiritually through a huddle ajd really found God's calling in his life. On the other hand I have seen the negative effects on the people who are NOT in a huddle and who are not leaders. I don't think this is in anyway intended, but my theory is that is it a consequence of the "system". Now the question is just what to do about. I won't ignore the positive effects either. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com